Prayer? After WOFF?

    There is no doubt that no matter what I write on this subject, members of Word of Faith Fellowship (WOFF) will take it personally and may even call it an “attack”. It is not my intention to “attack” with this subject. Is it possible that WOFF members see this blog as an attack because I am doing what they are forbidden to do? I can express doubt while trying to work things out. Do WOFF members want to express their doubts but know that in doing so they would be chided, berated or attacked themselves? At WOFF, expressing doubt as to the validity of WOFF-life is not allowed.

    I will endeavor to share my observations on the subject of prayer from my time inside WOFF and my time since leaving WOFF in 2008. After 16 years of being indirectly or directly under the teachings of Jane Whaley, it must be obvious that much of the teaching centered on prayer. Loud prayer, blasting and deliverance prayer are signature practices of WOFF as discussed previously on this blog. I have shared on this subject in the past. (here is a link from March 21, 2010- https://religiouscultsinfo.com/?p=599 )

    After leaving WOFF, how did the previous teachings and activities affect my view and practice of prayer? First, let me make it clear that participating in forms of WOFF-prayer does not assure that a member believes in the WOFF prayer 100% – day and night. Yes, it is hard to conceive, but, as powerful as Jane Whaley is with her persuasion and control; deep inside, every individual has to decide if WOFFness and WOFF-prayer are as critical to salvation as is portrayed during WOFF-days. That is up to each individual. Certainly, it is close to impossible to remain at WOFF for any length of time and not participate in loud prayer, blasting and deliverance. So, a WOFF member will participate. But, is it vital to pray the WOFF-way in order to be saved, born again or know Jesus or make it to heaven? When put in that context, the answer should be obvious. Is it?

    

     Since I stayed for years at WOFF, it should be obvious that I believed in WOFF prayer and participated with great fervor at times. Was there ever a tendency to consider WOFF prayer as a mark of a more mature Christian or one who had an inside track on relationship with God? Okay, let’s get to the meat of the matter; as a WOFF member, when I saw new folks come into the church, I did what I could and hoped with WOFF-hope, that they would accept and participate in the prayer, quickly. If so, then for one, that meant they might stay. Two, it was less of a distraction and in some ways gave another endorsement, if you will, that this prayer was THE STUFF you needed in order to make it with God. Former WOFF members, am I alone on this? Did anyone else think like this or have any thoughts similar?  

   Is it possible that WOFF-prayer became so “showy” that it perverted the real purpose for prayer either individually or in a group?  In group prayer, those who were leading felt it was their job to watch others and “help” them. To some, it was their job to keep a certain standard or “something”. This “something” was elusive at times. Those leading prayer would say things like; “take hold of your mind”, “give your whole heart”, “some of you are just staring off into space”, “some of you are just grinding away”, “some of you are just waving your arms with no purpose”, “some of the children are not praying at all”, “some of you grown-ups look like you are falling asleep”. To rouse the people, leaders would say things like “okay, let’s hit it!” or some other rally cry.  Then the prayer would go to a very high pitch and the waving of the arms and other such motions would increase dramatically. If you did not participate, you were subject to any level of interrogation in order to see what was your problem, what was your sin or if you needed prayer yourself to “break the witchcraft off of you”, so you could pray. (join in)

   As a member of WOFF, I cannot remember ever being encouraged to be alone and quiet before God as a form of prayer. Just the opposite was preached. If you get off by yourself you could give to a “religious devil” and get off into some perversion or goofy ideas. It was important to be around other WOFF members as much as possible – why? To protect WOFFers from who? Or what? Or ????

   Another WOFF specific practice that was popular for a long time was to say “Help me, Jesus” for EVERYTHING! It was like an incantation or magic phrase to ward off the devil or “take hold of your mind” or “take hold of your emotions” or “submit your will” or some other need for that moment. I said it over and over sometimes and did not see the pattern of mindlessness that could easily follow such robotic practices- even if you thought you were invoking the name of Jesus! What a trap!

   Early on, I was attended a seminar where I was with a fellow from Texas and a young man from Connecticut in a small prayer group. Both men were from other churches and were new. The Connecticut man stopped during the prayer, looked at me and said “you pray strong.” I remember thinking, I am just copying what I see others doing. What is the big deal? I said thank you and went on trying to impress. What a joke! I actually believed and let this man think that praying loud was good or better or best.

   So, after leaving, how does an ex-WOFF member pray? How do I view prayer, now? Well, WOFF prayer is not practiced in the church I attend. Oh, you can raise your hands during the singing; you can weep and sense the true love of God. But, loud prayer, blasting the heavens and deliverance prayer are not practiced. I don’t think it would be accepted or welcomed. Would I attend this church if it were? Probably not. Individual prayer is encouraged, as it should be. The pastor or other members lead group prayer for the congregation as well. You can understand what they are saying and they don’t even shout. I suppose he could shout and it would be okay. But, when the pastor prays the purpose does not seem to be to draw attention to him, but rather to the needs of the people and to the One in whom he trusts for answers.

    As I look back over the years at WOFF and the Greenville church, I wonder if the prayer was more of a show and I indeed missed the purpose. I do regret whatever took me over to think that the outward act which was WOFF-evidence of prayer, could substitute for heartfelt, humbling, personal relationship-building activity and lifestyle of prayer that God desires for His children. My prayers are somewhat shorter now and more to the point. When I am reminded of needs, whether mine or others, I pray. When I am asked to pray and I agree to pray, then I do. Today, I received an email from another former WOFF member. She said she would pray for me. Then she ended the statement with “(really I am)”.  That one statement caused me to consider this post and all that I have seen over the years at WOFF and during the two plus years of being out. In my opinion, when a man or woman seeks to personally “profit” from an outward show of prayer, he or she is truly no “prophet”, but a phony. I am not talking about never praying for yourself, I am referring to making the outward practice of prayer a profit center, a show, a signature practice to be copied, supposed evidence of a relationship with God.

   At this point, I am reminded of the Scripture in which Jesus addresses “showy” prayer. Luke 18:9-14

  9He also told this parable to some people who trusted in themselves and were confident that they were righteous [that they were upright and in right standing with God] and scorned and made nothing of all the rest of men:  10Two men went up into the temple [[i]enclosure] to pray, the one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.  11The Pharisee [j]took his stand ostentatiously and began to pray thus before and with himself: God, I thank You that I am not like the rest of men–extortioners (robbers), swindlers [unrighteous in heart and life], adulterers–or even like this tax collector here.  12I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I gain.   13But the tax collector, [merely] standing at a distance, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but kept striking his breast, saying, O God, be favorable (be gracious, be merciful) to me, the [k]especially wicked sinner that I am!  14I tell you, this man went down to his home justified (forgiven and made upright and in right standing with God), rather than the other man; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted.

   For sure, I do not know men’s hearts. I only know some of mine. There is no way I can speak of other former or even present WOFF members.  I know the thoughts that I had while at WOFF. It is clear to me that outward form amounts to very little, for God judges the heart. In my opinion, the WOFF form of prayer was used to mold outward behavior. This also served to give validation to the WOFF-life as a whole. We “pray” this way, therefore we are.  I have no rocks to throw since I lived WOFFness for years.  

Now, shall we pray?  

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11 thoughts on “Prayer? After WOFF?”

  1. Boy, did this post bring back memories. During “loud”prayer times just trying to look right and not be questioned. If so many “leadership” could be watching others, when and how were THEY praying? Yes, there is a crying out, but most times for me praying is talking with and communicating with FATHER. Such a priviledge!!!! Several times when the service went in a particular direction with loud prayer, I would be told to move up closer so I could get a “hit” of HIS power or HIM. John, that is a drug phrase…. to take a hit or get a hit. I always thought that odd. Did that ever happen to you? Love hugs and prayers

  2. VS,

    Yes, at times, I was encouraged to move up front. It was non-verbal sometimes, but it was understood that standing in the back could mean you were in sin or holding back or in rebellion. How can everyone stand up front?

    John

  3. I remember too, that you had to hit it hard! Everyone had to pray loud and hard and follow the directions of the prayer leaders. Many children were taken out, some spanked, scolded or prayed over so they could take hold during prayer. Over the years I began to hate prayer at WOFF. There was no freedom in your prayer. But, like everyone else, you go along to prevent any confrontations. Someone was always watching to make sure everyone was praying the “right way”. I doubt if 50% of the people were really praying with their “whole hearts.” I believe there can be time and place of loud prayer, but as a forced group prayer. I also believe the Holy Spirit will lead you how to pray.

    My favorite scripture has been:
    “Confess [your] faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.”
    James 5:16
    The key is to be a righteous man. Effectual fervent prayer can be a soft, silent prayer or a weeping. But, if it comes from the heart of a righteous man, it will be heard by God.

    WOFF also perverted the scripture above, “confess your faults (sins) one to another, pray one for another, that ye may be healed.” Before services you could not participate in prayer or the service until you confessed your sins to someone in leadership. Many times I felt that I just needed to be one on one with God, not with a large group of people telling me of my sins. I knew my sin and so did God. So, God and I could work it out together.

  4. I need to clarify a statement above in my comments. I said, “I believe there can be time and place of loud prayer, but as a forced group prayer. I also believe the Holy Spirit will lead you how to pray.” I left out the NOT. It should read…
    There is a place for loud prayer, but NOT as a forced group prayer.

    At WOFF it was forced on you as a group to pray in a particular way. If someone wanted to silently pray, they were rebuked and chastised to pray louder and louder. If they did not do this, they were taken from the room.

  5. Yes, Randall, I agree with you!!!!There is a season, a time for all forms of prayer, but not the FORCED group prayer. When were you at WOFF? I left in 2002. I think. When the Greenville Church moved up there I did not. I will be praying for you and your family to contiue to grow and prosper in GOD. And you also my friend, John. Thanks for this blog!!

  6. One day the same people who are using God for their own hidden agenda will have to answer to God

  7. Hello Brother….
    I see where you’re not on the billboard at the intersection…….you need to put it up again. I’m sure Jazzy Jane would like seeing it while she waits on the light to turn green. Seriously though…….it needs more attention this awful cult Church that has given our community a dark mark…..Thanks.

  8. I used to sing songs at the top of my lungs so they thought I was “praying” real hard …… funny how the top 5 were never in the church but for 5 to 10 minutes when we “prayed” for hours. they hate doing it as well

    I loved when I started working in the office because we always got out of it!!!

    It’s called BRAINWASHING!!!

  9. Ex-
    You are so right. It was not “fun” for them. They must have known the mindlessness it can cause and the benefits it had for them- the leaders. When the regular members were “praying”, they were becoming more “submitted” to the whole charade.
    Steven Hassan explained this in his work. He called it a “thought-stopping” technique. “Releasing the Bonds” page 44.
    John

  10. The Bible is very clear…
    “Behold I am laying in Zion a Stone that will make men stumble, a Rock that will make them fall; but he who believes in Him [who adheres to, trusts in, and relies on Him] shall not be put to shame nor be disappointed in his expectations.” (Rom 9:33 – Amp)
    The very prayer that could set you free, you have stumbled upon. All because you did not believe Him.
    It is also good to remember that who crucified Jesus were the religious people!

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