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Sons of Perdition- Interviews with the Producers

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   “Sons of Perdition” The story of polygamy’s exiled teens. – is a documentary about three boys who had been a part of the Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints (FLDS). We have posted many times before on the FLDS and its destructive nature. This post will link to an interview done with the film’s producers at the Tribeca Film Festival, earlier this year. The interview is in two parts and gives some insight into the struggles for the producers as well as the boys involved in the film. The subject of polygamy and the many effects it has on ones who stay inside and ones who leave are well documented. The producers, Jennilyn Merten and Tyler Measom talk very openly about not only what they learned, what they filmed, but how they took steps to become personally involved in the lives of their subjects over the four years in making the film. Jennilyn and Tyler are both former Mormons which helped them have a beginning in understanding the scope of the subject, as well as the trauma involved in leaving a group such as FLDS.

    “Sons of Perdition” is presented by LeftTurn Films and is pleased to announce that the film has been acquired by the Oprah Winfrey Network (OWN).   The film will be presented as part of Oprah’s Documentary Film Club.  The link to the website for the film ishttp://www.sonsofperditionthemovie.com/Sons_of_Perdition_Home.html 

Part 1

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Here is a second interview done by Nick Gillespie of reason.tv with the producers. It presents a few different points about FLDS.

  Thank you, for taking time to visit and read this blog.  Please, consume the information on this site responsibly. The author is not a licensed mental health professional and encourages those that need professional help to seek it. The intent of the material is to inform and be a resource. Be sure to tell every member that you know at WOFF about this blog. There are readers at WOFF. Comments are invited from all readers, including present or former members. Polls are not scientific and no private information is gathered.

    Look on the right side of any post for the option to subscribe by email for notifications or RSS feeds notifying of new postings. It is a great feature. Also, find more posts by selecting “Categories”.

      (Please, take time to read the Terms of Use for this personal blog. As mentioned, the information about WOFF is from my memories and recollections as perfect as that may be or not be. ) Scripture references are Amplified Version unless otherwise noted. (Copyright © 1954, 1958, 1962, 1964, 1965, 1987 by The Lockman Foundation ) This is post number 232.

Behavior Control, Books, Resources, Thought Reform, Uncategorized

Join Us – Reflections and Comparisons (3)

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     We have provided several posts reviewing material in the movie- “Join Us”. The film is presented by Interloper Films along with Lusitan and was produced by Ondi Timoner and Vasco Lucas Nunes. (Copyright© Third Floor Productions, LLC 2007). The film has a dedicated website with supporting information. The site is www.joinusthemovie.co . I have been intrigued by this film. It is no doubt the most intimate look at real ex-members of a religious cult. This cult was in Anderson, SC and was named Mountain Rock Church. The pastor was Raimund Melz. He and his wife, Deborah, exercised control over their members predicated on the idea that they were “family”. From all indications, Raimund Melz was the one who made the decisions and exercised the discipline.   

    In the second clip from the movie after the trailer (shown below), one ex-member, Tonya, is telling a counselor that the members were unable to know what sin was, the pastor had to point it out. “…You have to have him point out the sin, …because you are a dumb baby, dumb sheep..You can’t see them (the sins)..So, he has to be the one, he hears from God, you are inmature, he has to point them(the sin) out…” And then in a moment of revelation, this ex-member says to the counselor, “You act like you have seen this before?” The counselor answers- “.. This is what we hear all the time…” This exchange started at one minute and three seconds into the clip. I was glued to this exchange. Why? Because, for years while in Word of Faith Fellowship (WOFF), Jane Whaley would be asked by members to tell them – what is sin? Did I do right? What should I have done different? While I was in WOFF, members were continually chided and berated for not knowing what was sin. While in WOFF- Jane ruled and made the determination who did right, who did wrong and what to do about it. She determined who got punished and how.  The only source of the knowledge of sin was Jane Whaley. In reality, Jane replaced the Holy Spirit in member’s lives as apparently did Mr. Raimund Melz. But, from the counselor, we learn this happens all the time- IN CULTS!

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Update on Anthony and Harriet Jinwright

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Update: Charlotte Pastor and Wife Sentenced 9 yrs and 6 yrs for Tax Evasion

The link below is a Eyewitness Channel 9 news report on the Jinwright tax evasion case out of Charlotte, NC. We have posted updates in the past on this case and felt the case needed a follow-up. The former Pastor Jinwright received a sentence of 8 years and 9 months and will have to pay a $1.2 million dollar fine. Co-pastor, Harriet Jinwright was sentenced to 6 years and 8 months of jail time and fine of $1.1 million dollars. Below the video link is another link to more recent article form December 23, 2010 posted at qcitymetro.com.

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Behavior Control, Peoples Temple vs WOFF, Uncategorized

Christmas- Merry?

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    After being in Word of Faith Fellowship (WOFF) and living through the transition from celebrating Christmas with church services, decorations, watching old Christmas movies, special music services, open house nights in Greenville and gift exchanges with church members to moving away from those activities and not celebrating Christmas at all; returning to former ways is not as easy as turning on a switch. To the credit of family, friends and co-workers; the pressures to return have been light to non-existent during the first couple of years. Certain individuals would listen to my recounting of the practices and doctrines of WOFF and know that leaving Jane Whaley’s grip was not as easy as physically leaving her presence.

   The first few months out of WOFF were emotional to say the least. The first Christmas season away for WOFF and those who had joined me in the non-celebration was emotional and confusing. I saw other folks that I knew and worked with celebrating, exchanging gifts and greetings. No such rush to join the activities was in me. I clearly saw I needed the fellowship and friendship of others more than the celebration of something that just a few months previous had been despised. As in WOFF, I was grateful that the celebration only came once a year. The build-up was truly more taxing than the day itself. One of the most exasperating things to deal with was the Christmas music. Music had been such a big deal at WOFF. Duirng WOFF days, listening to non-WOFF music was a sure ticket to hell.

   I remember the night Jane “heard” that Oh, Holy Night was a birthday song and that we would not sing that one and/or other Christmas songs. Honestly, as I had continued to believe the growing list of “don’ts” pertaining to Christmas, I knew that some traditional Christmas songs sung during the “Special Music” services would soon be banned. One year, during practice for the Special Music services in December, the young married group which I belonged to was told to go the fellowship hall and chose a song to sing. The debate raged and finally Jane Whaley’s daughter got several folks to agree on a song. I don’t remember which one it was, but we sang it loud and we sang it with perpetual smiles. Does anyone else remember that?

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Books, Resources, Criteria for Cults, Thought Reform, Uncategorized

Join Us – Reflections and Comparisons (2)

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   The opening three minutes of the film “Join Us” is available below. “Join Us”. The film is presented by Interloper Films along with Lusitan and was produced by Ondi Timoner and Vasco Lucas Nunes. (Copyright© Third Floor Productions, LLC 2007). Joaquin Sullivan opens the film giving a brief introduction to his background and experience in Mountain Rock Church in Anderson, SC. He makes a statement that “It is hard to tell from the outside when a church has gone too far”. That is so true. Not until a person can learn the “rules” (verbal and non-verbal) and consequences for breaking the rules; do they know if a church – more specifically the pastor and leadership in the church – have gone too far.

     What is “too far…”?  That is a topic that some would rather ignore. But, as the years have passed, I have some insight into what is “too far”. I spent 16 years under the direct and indirect influence of the teachings of Jane Whaley at Word of Faith Fellowship (WOFF). During my time there and now that I am out, I have more understanding as to what would be “too far…”  When a pastor and/or the leadership of a church begin to control the lives of their members as shown in the film, it is a dangerous environment for anyone- adult or child.

    Joaquin Sullivan also expresses his present doubts and questions about other churches he passes and may nothing about. He shares questions that I fully understand. It is only a natural reaction after coming through an experience like his to question any other church, their beliefs, as well as the pastor/leader. He lists his questions about other churches; is the pastor telling them who can be married, how much money to give or how much of their time is required to make it to heaven?

   This clip reveals the members from Mountain Rock Church arriving at Wellspring retreat center in order to get help with understanding what they had been involved in. The lives of the folks had been affected by the pastor- Raimund Melz and his wife. These are real people, not actors. The counselors are real people, not actors. Actual counseling sessions are shown in the film with real questions and real emotions from the former cult members. Please, take time to view the clip and consider seeing the entire documentary. It will change your ideas about cults, who can be caught in one and where to get help.

   Thank you, for taking time to visit and read this blog.  Please, consume the information on this site responsibly. The author is not a licensed mental health professional and encourages those that need professional help to seek it. The intent of the material is to inform and be a resource. Be sure to tell every member that you know at WOFF about this blog. There are readers at WOFF. Comments are invited from all readers, including present or former members. Polls are not scientific and no private information is gathered.

    Look on the right side of any post for the option to subscribe by email for notifications or RSS feeds notifying of new postings. It is a great feature. Also, find more posts by selecting “Categories”.

      (Please, take time to read the Terms of Use for this personal blog. As mentioned, the information about WOFF is from my memories and recollections as perfect as that may be or not be. ) Scripture references are Amplified Version unless otherwise noted. (Copyright © 1954, 1958, 1962, 1964, 1965, 1987 by The Lockman Foundation ) This is post number 228.

Books, Resources, Criteria for Cults, Uncategorized

Join Us – Reflections and Comparisons (1)

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     In the previous post, we introduced the movie- Join Us. The film is presented by Interloper Films along with Lusitan and was produced by Ondi Timoner and Vasco Lucas Nunes. (copyright© Third Floor Productions, LLC 2007) This award winning film released in 2007 captures the fear and torment in the lives of four families caught in a religious cult in South Carolina. The families are shown receiving help at the Wellspring Retreat in Ohio. Actual footage of counseling sessions led by the late Dr. Paul Martin show former cult members receiving instruction, asking questions and dealing with the issues facing them as they struggle to find “normal” lives. The emotions are real and the language reflects the intense struggle with guilt, anger and remorse.     

    The clip below is from a radio interview with Ondi Timoner. She talks about how she came to learn about cults and mind control. She also gives some insight into how the group came to light. It is worth the time to listen.

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Join Us- The Movie

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   Recently, I became aware of the documentary entitled – “Join Us”. The film is presented by Interloper Films along with Lusitan and was produced by Ondi Timoner and Vasco Lucas Nunes. (copyright© Third Floor Productions, LLC 2007) The movie is the only film I know of which shows actual cult members as they come to the knowledge of their predicament, grapple with their options, take steps to change and then face the leaders of the group. This is the introductory post in a series that will take dialog and scenes from this movie and compare them to my experience both inside and outside of Word of Faith Fellowship (WOFF). The film has a dedicated website with supporting information. The site is www.joinusthemovie.com . We will reference the information on the website as we continue. We have added the website to our Links page found on the right side of the home page.    

    Steven Hassan, an often quoted source on this blog, is quoted on his website www.freedomofmind.com as saying, ““One of the most ambitious documentaries ever done that shows the suffering caused by authoritarian cult groups.” He appears several times in the film along with Rick Ross, a well know Cult Expert and Intervention Specialist. Rick’s website is www.rickross.com Other experts appear in the film along with Dr. Paul Martin from Wellspring. Robert Lifton is shown in several clips explaining his work on thought reform and its application to the understanding of cults. The supporting cast of cult experts is a great resource for those wanting to learn more on the subject. Also, on the website for the movie under the “Take the Cult Test” tab, there is an outline of Robert Lifton’s eight criteria for determining if a group is using thought reform.

    From the back cover of the DVD case:

“Join Us follows four families as they leave a controlling and abusive church in South Carolina and come to realize that they have been members of a cult. The film documents them intimately as they enter Wellspring, the only accredited live-in cult treatment facility in the world. At Wellspring, they learn how they were brainwashed to give up control of their lives to the Pastor and his wife, allowing their children to undergo severe abuse in order to make heaven.

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